Sandhini satta, this means one svarupa body comes, svarupa siddhi. Vastu sidhi comes, then cit satta, then prema satta, or hladhini satta comes.
Cit satta then vastu sidhi, but not bhava sidhi, or prema siddhi. If there is no prema siddhi, then you will go to vaikuntha, or Mathura…
When meeting with the nitya sidhas this prema comes.
Now meeting with many people, but we have no relation, then prema doesn’t come.
First sadhana is only to cross maya, but after real svarupa sidhi, you will get Vraja prema from ragatmika Vrajabasis. This is then permanent. Gopa kumara crossed Vaikuntha, Narayan, Ayodhya and so forth, and went to Vraja Mandala, but hadn’t yet gotten prema. He heard Krsna play the flute, He met with Krsna and Krsna embraced Him, but also He did not get prema. Only by Srimati’s mercy, He finally achieved Vraja prema.
It is not so easy.
In sadhana not happening? The sakti in sadhana is small, there is no guarantee, where will we go? But getting that prema satta our position is secured. In prakrta Vraja there is sadhana, and aprakrta vraja there is siddhi.
Question: In Bhaktivinoda Thakura’s prayer, dekhite dekhite, and yavate vivaha habe, is this in prakrta Vraja, or aprakrta Vraja?’
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: This is bhauma Vrndavan.
Question: Then at that time does Radharani not give prema-sidhi?”
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: If She doesn’t give, or has not given, how can you come in Vraja Mandala? How can you be greedy for this? But this is not enough, it is not everything. This is only a little bit, like one point.
Question: Like a ray of the sun, but not the full illumination?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Like now, look outside, it is the afternoon and the sun is visible, but has no heat. Where has the heat gone? Tell me. Does the sun have a lack of heat now? No. But the sun’s heat is not felt because of the winter’s cold. This heat is there in the Himalayas, but only ice is present. Even if mercy is present, that is not everything. Vesa, avesa and samavesa, sthana, kala and patra, all times are not the same, now, sitting here, whatever you will get, and what you will get in the Kunja Kutira of Vraja, will that be the same?
Question: As the Vedacaris, Upanishadcaris and others met with Krsna in the Rasa dance in bhauma Vrndavan, was their prema siddhi not attained then? they met with the nitya siddhas, and sang gopi gita, etc.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Both nitya siddhas and sadhana siddhas were present, but, although they met, the prema the sadhakas got was only to increase their utkantha, therefore Krsna disappeared. He even left Radharani afterwards. Radharani had no abhiman there, but to give mercy to the sadhakas, He also left Radharani. If He had not done so, then they would not get Her mercy. Then they made anubhuti, advancement.
Question: There is the sloka nitya siddha Krsna prema sadhya kabhu naya: This prema is inherent, but when will it manifest? Will the consciousness only be pure when one is in aprakrta Vraja?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: No. When the flow of transcendental suddha sattva melts and comes in one’s heart, from the hearts of the ragatmikas, one must be completely showered in this – it will not do to take any part.
Question: In this world, we do seva sadhaka rupena . . .
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: In this world the sadhaka will feel lobha for aprakrta Vraja and will do sadhana to attain that post. Then one will go to aprakrta Vraja and attain the association of the nitya siddhas. Achieving that association, they will follow in their shelter, they will learn from them. How much time is needed to learn everything? All children go to school, but not all are perfect students and achieve realization of the truth. So going to aprakrta Vraja, staying in the company of the nitya siddhas, gradually, this will come.
Question: In this world, sadhakas perform manasi-seva of asta kaliya lila, and become so absorbed, it is like they are there directly. Such as the instance of Ramachandra Kaviraja with Srinivas Acarya, he went to Radha Kunda and found Radharani’s ring there, and gave it to his Gurudeva, who passed it up all the way to Radharani, and then Radharani gave Ramachandra Kaviraja Her mercy.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Then did he come back or not?
Question: He came back, but relation was fixed there, was it not? He had darsana of Radharani and the nitya siddhas?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Gurudeva gave you darsana, did he not?
Question: I did not find Radharani’s ring in Radha Kunda.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Now lobha was given, and an opportunity for sadhana and seva, doing this continuously, one will attain his perfect spiritual body and service in nitya-lila.
Question: What is prema-siddhi? Is this a bhava, emotion? Radharani has this mood, so when She gives it to us, we attain it, or is it already within us?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Now there is a small seed, inside the seed is the potency of the entire tree. But when rasa is received, the seed will sprout and develop into a tree.
Question: This seed that is there, is it prema? But we use it for maya, so is it prema, or kama?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Because of using it for maya, it is being destroyed. This is the abhasa, semblance, of prema. This is not real prema.
Question: In this world we have love for another soul, is this because all souls’ are the part and parcels of God?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: This is not prema. This will be prema in the soul’s pure state, when the seed of prema sprouts by achieving rasa. After sprouting, it will become a lush tree full of fruits and flowers; then it will be prema-rasa. Now there is no prema-rasa. By taking jada-rasa the seed of prema will not sprout. It is destroyed, as if burnt. If one is attracted by mundane love after some days the atma will be as if destroyed.
Question: When Krsna appeared at the end of the gopi’s performance of Katyayani-vrata, He told that the seed of lust could never sprout for anyone who had relation with Him, as a roasted seed will not grow in a field.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: the sloka was given, mayavisita . . . (insert verse) This means the mundane desire will be finished. The kama-bija, or seed of lust will be destroyed. There will be no more attraction to the material world and its perversions. This will be burnt and destroyed. Even if it appears one has love for anyone, this will not be lust, because there will be no tendency to enjoy that person. It will be natural love free of all selfishness.
Question: One thing is bhoga-buddhi, and one is seva-buddhi. Mayavadis show contempt to all things of this world, what should the mentality be of a bhakti-yogi? Seeing the people and objects of this world, should we feel affection for all objects and people, and endeavor to engage all things in Krsna’s service?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Both are improper. Rejecting and enjoying are both bad. Both are bhoga, enjoyment. Rejecting and accepting are both improper. Until the transcendental rasa comes inside one, and the spiritual form of one’s soul has not awaken, until that point, one will be forced to enjoy the objects of this world when coming in contact with them. One will run to enjoy, pulled by attraction for material objects of sense gratification.
Question: I have heard that we should see all women as maidservants of Krsna. How should we act in this regard?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Seeing a rasagulla begets the desire and attraction to enjoy it. If a beggar sitting on the street near a sweet shop feels greed upon seeing a man eating a rasagulla, and when that man throws the leaf cup, the beggar will pick it up and lick the leftover juice. He doesn’t have the fortune to eat a rasagulla, so he licks the leaf cup. Mundane people can’t be above maya just by imagination. By having respect and faith, krpa-sakti will come and save you.
Question: Srila Bilvamangala Thakura plucked out his eyes, should his example be followed?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: You must follow anukulyasya sankalpa and pratikula varjana . . . make a vow to only accept what is favorable and to reject what is unfavorable. Otherwise there is no question of surrender. Favorable action is to always remember God.
Question: Seeing objects of maya we naturally have tendency to enjoy, can this be altered to somehow have uddipana, inspiration for serving God, when seeing anything of this world? As Bhaktivinoda Thakura prays, “Radha Kunda tate Kunja Kutira . . . Seeing any tree, you remember a tamala or kadamba under which Krsna plays His flute, and seeing any river you think of the Yamuna, and seeing any hill you remember Govardhana. Is this possible and appropriate at my stage, or is it better to reject everything in a mood of neglect and contempt?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: This is good, but it will only last for two minutes with you. For uttama bhagavats it is permanent. You can feel uddipana for two minutes, and then going nearby any object, you will be attracted and engrossed in it.
Question: Narada Rsi went to Nalakuvera and Manigriva, and seeing the forest area and lake where the twins were enjoying with heavenly damsels, Narada Rsi remembered Vraja and Krsna’s pastimes.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Narada Rsi is a maha-bhagavat, he has no trouble. But if you went with this attitude you would be ensnared by maya. When Ajamila went to the forest he saw a man with a prostitute, his mind was disturbed, and he later ran and became the lifelong servant of the prostitute. If you go to give respect there, being attracted by the charm and fragrance of maya, you will go under her clothes and never be able to escape. Therefore staying distant feeling disdain is better.
Question: Then one should be like a mayavadi or brahmavadi?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: First you have to become like this. Brahmeti paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdhyate . . . First become like a brahmavadi, then you can gradually advance to the level of a pure devotee. First Brahma bhava should come.
Question: If Radharani gives Her mercy, then can we see all as Her expansions and shakti?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: It is not so simple and easy, go and test, then you will find out the result. Look into each others’ eyes, then in one minute you will understand. All the rasa will come out, like Shiva Thakura’s rasa. All the ice will melt and flow down from the mountain. All you have will be lost. It is not so easy. Therefore be Krsna avesa, absorbed in Krsna. Don’t look at that side. Don’t put any attention to that side. Now you must be very careful. It is not so easy. Be very strong and pray deeply, like gopinatha mama nivedana, visaya durja;na, sada kama rata, amara jivana, and durlabha manava.
Why do we cry and pray? It is not so easy. If you go and give respect to all, and go nearby them . . . what to speak of touching the shadow, or body, even by taking or giving something by the eyes from a distance, the work is finished. Dadati pratighrnati is finished. Then all comes inside and can’t come out. It is such a thorn, if it goes in the foot, it comes up into the brain.
Question: Is it possible to think that all of Gurudeva’s disciples have some relation in the spiritual world? Therefore we may think that we should leave off temporary relations to be together in the eternal world serving God forevermore.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Then many sevikas and piglets will come.
Question: All the disciples who took initiation from Gurudeva and deeply follow sadhana, even if they go to hell, won’t Gurudeva pull them out and take them to the eternal world? Like the verse in Bhagavad-gita, yogo brasto bijayate
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Certainly.
Question: Will all disciples have place in one prakostha of Vraja, or many different ones.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: No. All have different moods, after bhava-siddhi, they will all go into different groups.
Question: But what about those who are very close in a group, not the random disciples. Will we make garlands together for Krsna?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: It is not so cheap. (laughter) It seems like that at first, but after two or three days, you will see that a feeling of contempt comes. Those you feel are as your own, and are making relation with, and thinking, “Together we will serve God,” after two days, you will feel such contempt, you will speak together with shoes. This is never possible. Eternal relationship is another thing. Until one has svarupa-siddhi, no relation is eternal.
Question: Like we call eachothers godbrothers and godsisters, doesn’t this mean some relation is there.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Now you think they are godsisters? This is only a show for two days, the only relation between godbrothers and godsisters will be if they do hari-katha, Hari-kirtan, Harinama, Hari-seva, and stay nirapeksa, then. there will be no material relation with anyone. What did Srila Gaura Kisora das Babaji Maharaja tell when told by a man that he had brought a Krsna dasi. He said, “Worship her, don’t accept her service. Wash her feet and drink the water. God’s servant is worshipable for us. I will worship her, but won’t enjoy her.
Question: Does it have to be only about enjoying each other?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Material relationship means to enjoy each other. Nothing else is possible. therefore distance must be kept. If you go to any material object, you will be attracted without a doubt.
Question: Can this attraction ever be beneficial?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Never. Like there is a temple, why didn’t Sanatana Gosvami stay in a temple. You made everything, then anyone didn’t give you respect, and you become angry and give a curse. You won’t be able to stay detached. You will think, “I did it, I did it.” Is leaving this attitude easy? Without the mercy of God and Sri Guru this is impossible. In my time there was no one, I had to do anything all with my blood and sweat. But Gurudeva had given mercy, therefore I left everything in one minute. Now I can’t even remember it.
Question: The Mathura temple?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: Why only Mathura? Govardhana, Navadvipa, Puri, so many places, but I understood, “I shouldn’t have attachment to that property. I did the service, now it is finished, what further thought should be given to the matter? My thought is for something higher. Why should I be mixed up in that? By doing so, delusion and attachment will come, then anger. This is a great danger.
Question: Does only Radharani give this prema-satta, or can the rupanuga-guru-varga also give?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: The guru-varga gives some prema to liberate one from the material world, that prema gives lobha, greed, and attracts one to the spiritual world, and will give tendency to perform necessary sadhana and will also give proper association to advance. Like we do Katyayani-vrata. The gopis did one time. We do yearly. And one year it was only five, now, it may be five hundred. Those boys from Simantapura went back to their village and were beaten and criticized. “Why did you perform this vrata? Where did this new practice come from? Who taught you this? This is only for girls. Are you men or women?”
They replied, “We have some desire, they have some desire (kama). You can offer your kama to girls, and we will offer ours to Krsna. Therefore we do Katyayani-vrata.”
They gave good answer and then the opponents were silenced.
If we do sadhana, they will give the sakti to perform sadhan and also the fruit. But now it is not pure. Now it is a line. Going on this path, by being nirapeksa, we will get association of the aprakrta Vrajabasis who have come from aprakrta Vraja. Then we will go to eternal Vraja . . . first we will go to bhauma Vraja in this world.
Question: Krsna gives cit-satta, what is this?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: This means all tattva jnana.
Question: In transcendental Vraja, this tattva jnana means seva-paripatti?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: If there is no knowledge of the seva-paripatti then who will you go to, and do what, who to give how much respect, where will this intelligence come from?
Question: Is it not inherent, as when a calf is born, it knows where the mother’s udders are, and goes there without being told, and begins to drink milk.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: That is svabhavika jnana. But then, how should one behave with mother and father and society, and how to do what, without knowledge, how can any action be performed properly?
Question: This is cit satta?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: No. cit satta is something more. Do you want to move in the street naked or what? I can’t tell openly like this. How will they serve Krsna and Radharani in the kunja? Who gives this knowledge?
Question: Don’t the Vraja Devis teach this process?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: If they had not received this knowledge, how could they teach others? Pandit janaya akara vikara, murkha bujhe chade tapar. You will have to become a pandit. It is not so easy. Great qualification is needed for that knowledge.
Question: So this is why the gopis tell in Krsna karnamrta, “Krsna, You are our guru.”
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: All jnana is necessary.
Question: Srimati Radharani is not the adhistatri devi for this knowledge how to serve?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: That is another thing. All three vrttis are of svarupa-shakti. Cit satta, sat-satta, jiva-satta, or svarupa-satta, and ananda-satta, this is all from svarupa-shakti.
Question: Is prema satta, seva satta, or are they two separate things?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: If there is no prema, then seva will be karma and mundane.
Question: But are they one vastu, or two.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: There is prema-seva.
Question: prema is a mood, is it not, and seva a kriya, or action, like a verb.
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: No, both seva and prema are kriya-shakti. Seva is a verb. Prema is an adverb. Only having a verb is not enough, adverbs and adjectives. Prema is like adjective.
Question: But if prema and seva are one, how is one a verb and the other an adverb or adjective?
Sripad Premananda Prabhu: By prema-seva, they will both be one. Only by ranting/talking and talking, nothing shall be achieved.
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