A Morning Walk

Śrīla Gurudeva: Are there any good questions?

Viṣṇu dāsa: Gurudeva, yesterday you explained that in Gopī-gīta, when the gopīs addressed Kṛṣṇa as Nārāyaṇa, it was due to aśvabhāvika-sthiti (overwhelmed because of intense separation from Śrī Kṛṣṇa, they were not in their natural mood or state at that time). Then, yesterday evening we were hearing that Śrīmatī Rādhikā did this in Bhramara-gīta as well. She referred to Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes when He took the forms of Rāma and Vāmanadeva.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Tīrtha Mahārāja was discussing this śloka:

mṛgayur iva kapīndraṁ vivyadhe lubdha-dharmā
striyam akṛta virūpāṁ strī-jitaḥ kāma-yānām
balim api balim attvāveṣṭayad dhvāṅkṣa-vad yas
tad alam asita-sakhyair dustyajas tat-kathārthaḥ
(Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam 10.47.17)


[Like a hunter, He cruelly shot the king of the monkeys with arrows. Because He was conquered by a woman, He disfigured another woman who came to Him with lusty desires. And even after consuming the gifts of Bali Mahārāja, He bound him up with ropes as if he were a crow. So let us give up all friendship with this dark-complexioned boy, even if we can’t give up talking about Him.]

But he made a mistake. When he was talking about this śloka, he said that Rādhikā addressed Kṛṣṇa by name. But the śloka neither mentions Kṛṣṇa’s name nor the names of Rāmacandra or Vāmana. It only refers to ‘black persons’ (asita). Because Kṛṣṇa is black [the color of a fresh blackish rain cloud], Śrīmatī Rādhikā was speaking about the faults in the nature of ‘black persons.’ I told this to Tīrtha Mahārāja, but he did not remember at the time explaining the śloka.

Śrīpāda Sajjana Mahārāja: In the pastime of killing Śakaṭāsura, the cart demon, which anartha is referred to? Which anartha is removed?

Śrīla Gurudeva: The anartha is kapaṭatā, hypocrisy, because in order to avoid detection Śakaṭāsura made his body look like the air.

Padmanābha dāsa: Gurudeva, you said yesterday that Yaśodā-maiyā is somewhat blackish in complexion.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Her complexion is like that of Kṛṣṇa.

Padmanābha dāsa: Yes. She is the same color as Kṛṣṇa, but if we look at the pictures that were painted, such as dāmodara-līlā, it appears that her complexion is golden.

Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: When you go to Vinodinī dīdī’s house, you can see a big painting photo [called a giclee]. There you can see that her complexion is the same as Kṛṣṇa’s.

Devotee: Previously the artists made her complexion golden, but then Gurudeva told them to change the color.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Suradāsa wrote that her complexion is gaura-varṇa, golden. He wrote that all the cowherd boys were talking among themselves, and then they told Kṛṣṇa, “Nanda Baba is golden in complexion, and Yaśodā-maiyā is as well. So, You cannot possibly be Yaśodā’s son.” Kṛṣṇa began to weep. He ran to His mother and told her, “Oh, I am not your son.”

Yaśodā-maiyā replied, “No, no, no, no. I take an oath on Nārāyaṇa that You are my son. You have come from my womb.”

Viṣṇu dāsa: Is Suradāsa correct?

Śrīla Gurudeva: No.

The child receives the qualities of either the mother or the father. Kṛṣṇa has all the qualities of Mother Yaśodā. Just as Mother Yaśodā has a very sweet voice, Kṛṣṇa has a very sweet voice. So, actually, Kṛṣṇa is bluish because Yaśodā is bluish.

Śrīpāda Padmanābha Mahārāja: Previously, Śrīla Gurudeva, you have said that Mother Yaśodā is not as dark as Kṛṣṇa; that she has a lighter bluish color than Kṛṣṇa.

Śrīla Gurudeva: No harm.

Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Some similarity must be there.

Devotee: I am wondering if Śrī Kṛṣṇa performs the same pastimes in Goloka Vṛndāvana that He performs when He comes here.

Śrīla Gurudeva: [To Śrīpāda Padmanābha Mahārāja] You can answer.

Śrīpāda Padmanābha Mahārāja: Some of the pastimes are different. For example, during Kṛṣṇa’s bhauma-līlā, His pastimes in the material universes, He actually takes birth from the womb of Mother Yaśodā. On the other hand, in His nityā-līlā in Goloka Vṛndāvana there is only the conception that He takes birth.

In this world He kills demons like Keśī and so forth. He actually performs that līlā of killing demons. But in Goloka Vṛndāvana there are no demons; there is only a conception that He kills demons.

In this way, there is some difference between bhauma-līlā and nityā-līlā.

Devotee: Does He perform the pastime of leaving Vṛndāvana for Mathurā in Goloka Vṛndāvana?

Śrīpāda Padmanābha Mahārāja: In order to foster the separation mood, there is a conception that Kṛṣṇa leaves, but He never actually leaves Vṛndāvana.

There are different sections of Goloka – Vṛndāvana, Mathurā, and Dvārakā – where He is situated eternally, performing pastimes with His various associates.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Okay.

Mādhava dāsa: Gurudeva, I have two questions. I was listening to Dāmodara Mahārāja’s class the other day. He said that when Śukadeva Gosvāmī refused to come out from his mother’s womb, Śrīla Vyāsadeva invoked Kṛṣṇa’s presence from Dvārakā. I said, “At that time, Kṛṣṇa had already left the planet. How could Vyāsadeva have invoked Kṛṣṇa’s presence from Dvārakā?” So, I want to know the true explanation.

Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: What Dāmodara Mahārāja told was correct. Kṛṣṇa was no longer manifest in this world. He was already in aprakaṭa Dvārakā (Dvārakā in Goloka Vṛndāvana). Vyāsadeva meditated on Him, and then He appeared.

Mādhava dāsa: Yes, I know He appeared, but was it from Dvārakā?

Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: It is not mentioned clearly in any scripture.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Vyāsadeva prayed, and by his prayer Kṛṣṇa appeared before him. It could have been either Dvārakādhisa or Vrajendra-nandana Kṛṣṇa, but I think it was Vrajendra-nandana Kṛṣṇa. Śukadeva Gosvāmī was Śrī Rādhikā’s parrot named Suka, so his worshipful Deity was Śrī Rādhikā.

Mādhava dāsa: The second question is this: After Parīkṣit Mahārāja heard from Śukadeva Gosvāmī – after the seventh day – the snake-bird bit him. But we also hear that his mother asked him, “Can you explain, in simple terms, what you just heard?” My question is: How much time did Parīkṣit have to speak to her?

Śrīpāda Mādhava Mahārāja: Śrīla Gurudeva spoke about this in his Bṛhad-bhāgavatāmṛta lectures in Mathurā. He told us that there was very little time. Parīkṣit’s mother, Uttarā-devī, approached him and said, “O my dear son, I am not so intelligent, so please very briefly tell me the essence of what you have heard.” Thus, Parīkṣit Mahārāja spoke Bṛhad-bhāgavatāmṛta.

Śrīpāda Padmanābha Mahārāja: This devotee, Premadāsa prabhu, was previously in Vṛndāvana, and I spoke with him there about coming and doing special preaching in Los Angeles. He is very qualified to preach in the yoga communities, so can you give your blessings that he can go there?

Śrīla Gurudeva: He’s not married?

Brajanāth dāsa: Gurudeva, actually, he is in Houston.

Śrīpāda Padmanābha Mahārāja: He came from Miami, and then you told him first to go to Houston. Can he go now to Los Angeles to do this type of preaching?

Śrīla Gurudeva: What does Abhirāma (the temple coordinator in Houston) say?

Brajanāth dāsa: Avadhuta Mahārāja (resident sannyāsī in the Houston temple) can also say what he thinks.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Abhirāma prabhu, what would you like him to do? What is your idea?

Abhirāma dāsa: My idea, Śrīla Gurudeva, is that sometimes Premadāsa prabhu can stay with us in Houston, and sometimes he can serve with Padmanābha Mahārāja.

Śrīla Gurudeva: And where is Avadhuta Mahārāja?

Padmanābha Mahārāja: He already went to the āśrama.

Śrīla Gurudeva: Oh, he has returned. In that case, we will follow Abhirāma’s advice.

Now, are there any good questions about bhakti?

Śrīpāda Śrautī Mahārāja: We heard that Uddhava was accepted in the school of the gopīs, but…

Śrīla Gurudeva: No, no, no. I explained that he was never admitted in that school. He went there and saw the college classroom, and he saw the professors and principals, but he was not admitted.

Śrīpāda Śrautī Mahārāja: Yes, he went there and failed his entrance examination. What questions was he asked that he could not answer?

Śrīla Gurudeva: You don’t know?

The gopīs asked, “Uddhava, can you explain something to us? Kṛṣṇa loved us without any selfishness, and we also loved Him in that way.

“Regarding selfish love, prostitutes love a man only as long as he can give them money; no money, no love.

“Students go to school, but when their desires are fulfilled, they give up that school. They study at school, but after passing their examinations they never come back to see the professor.

“A beggar goes everywhere, calling out, ‘Radhe, Radhe,’ and gets donations; and after receiving his donation, he is gone.

“Birds situate themselves in trees, but when the trees lose their leaves and fruits the birds go away. The deer live in the forest, but if the forest is burned, the deer no longer want to live there. These are all examples of selfishness, so-called love.

“But our prema, the prema of Kṛṣṇa and we gopīs, was not like that. So how could it have broken?”

Puzzled, Uddhava could only scratch his head. He had no reply, so he could not gain admission and he had to return to Mathurā.

[Excerpted from the Gaudiya Vedanta Publication “Walking With a Saint 2009”]
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